Fron BRJ 24, p206

Following nationalization, Pontrilas again witnessed the regular passing of ex-LMS 4-6-0s on passenger trains. The Railway Observer for October 1949 advised that, since the start of the year's summer timetable, the engine of the 9.20 a.m. ex-Manchester to the West of England (usually a Longsight locomotive) had worked through to Pontypool Road instead of being changed at Shrewsbury. 'Jubilees' Nos. 45722 Defence, 45647 Sturdee, 45638 Zanzibar and 'Rebuilt Patriot' No. 45548 Lytham St. Annes were noted on this duty, as were numerous 'Black Fives'. This arrangement continued, certainly until 1954 and most likely beyond. The ex-GWR Hawksworth 'County' class 4-6-0s were much in favour but one of the most notable events of the early 1950s, at Pontrilas, was on 2nd February 1952 when No. 6000 King George V was recorded passing on the 1 p.m. Plymouth to Liverpool. The 'Kings' had only received permission to use the Bristol—Shrewsbury route early that year. As the few remaining 'Saint' class 4-6-0s finished their days working on the line south of Hereford so, in contrast, the first of the growing numbers of BR 'Standard' designs made their appearance. On 29th August 1952 4-6-2 No. 70022 Tornado worked the 8.45 a.m. Plymouth—Shrewsbury train, believed to be another first of its class to be seen passing through Pontrilas. Also around this time, the 75XXX class was becoming available for mixed traffic duties.

The summer timetable for 1954 showed that the through passenger service to Scotland would pass through Pontrilas. The Penzance to Glasgow Central, and return from St. Enoch, was scheduled and 19½ to 20 hours was allowed for the journey.

Are you saying we need to convert a Bachmann Jubilee for LMJ? or maybe get some kind person to model one...

No, I'm saying that the Manchester - Plymouth trains (&v/v)  can be hauled by a Jubilee, Black 5, Royal Scot, Patriot, County, Castle, Brittania, King or Hall. It's just that if someone fancies building a Jub here is the prototypical justification.

Rod Hall at 03:58AM on Jun 29, 2009

No, I'm saying that the Manchester - Plymouth trains (&v/v)  can be hauled by a Jubilee, Black 5, Royal Scot, Patriot, County, Castle, Brittania, King or Hall. It's just that if someone fancies building a Jub here is the prototypical justification.

Ahhh, a carrott...okay I'll bite, whats the stick? I know has to be a Brassmasters job!

If we take the priniple that to create a realistic model one aims for the prosaic rather then the exceptional, and thus what was normally rostered is to be preferred, then based on the trains for which  we have photos the league table looks like this:

castle 37%

hall 23%

brit 10%

Royal Scot 10%

County 7%

Jubilee 3%

King 3%

Patriot 3%

Warship 3% (if we strecth to 1964)

But then looking at prosaic in my thesaurus gives "accustomed, average, commonplace, conventional, customary, daily, dime a dozen, dull, familiar, frequent, habitual, informal, lowly, mainstream, middle-of-the-road*, mundane, normal, ordinary, per diem, plain, quotidian, routine, run-of-the-mill*, stock, unexceptional, unimaginative, usual, vanilla*, wonted, garden variety, unremarkable, whitebread, workaday " and is that what we want from LMJ?

Time to take my pills I think

Rod Hall at 06:46AM on Jul 02, 2009

If we take the priniple that to create a realistic model one aims for the prosaic rather then the exceptional, and thus what was normally rostered is to be preferred, then based on the trains for which  we have photos the league table looks like this:

 

castle 37%

hall 23%

brit 10%

Royal Scot 10%

County 7%

Jubilee 3%

King 3%

Patriot 3%

Warship 3% (if we strecth to 1964)

 

But then looking at prosaic in my thesaurus gives "accustomed, average, commonplace, conventional, customary, daily, dime a dozen, dull, familiar, frequent, habitual, informal, lowly, mainstream, middle-of-the-road*, mundane, normal, ordinary, per diem, plain, quotidian, routine, run-of-the-mill*, stock, unexceptional, unimaginative, usual, vanilla*, wonted, garden variety, unremarkable, whitebread, workaday " and is that what we want from LMJ?

 

Time to take my pills I think

Yes, you are absolutely right. Ordinary is not what we want, 'realistic' is a term I beleive to be more helpful. I hope that my engines will live up to that.

Mike